I was a part of this group blog last year called Kapuso Proactive, a branded blog but very much with the same mission as this blog, about ideas on how to improve the Filipino TV viewing experience... only I had the opportunity to break away from the passive stance of the said page and become a bit more spicy. Still, Kapuso Proactive (now inactive, pun intended) was full of interesting ideas and debates. This entry is one of my favourites because it contains a heated argument about Soap Operas.
Kicking away the TELENOVELA format
Philippine television seemed to have caught the telenovela format from it's Latino predeccesors... Filipinos now fully-embrace the 30-minutes a night format for almost all of its primetime programs: from drama series to the fantaserye fad. Networks have adapted the format, solely to create a continuum; as the 30-minute show ends with a cliffhanger, viewers are forced to watch the next episodes for the next few days... keeping their ratings high intact for the whole week.
Of course, this is brought about by the fact that the networks think that the Filipino audience has low attention span, and the usual once-a-week TV show cannot maintain the curiousity and interests of the viewer.
In comparison, in the U.S., the best and most popular and legendary TV shows are the once-a-week shows like 'The West Wing', 'CSI', '24', among others. Daily thirty-minute shows are contained in daytime soaps, which majority of viewers think is 'cornball'.
Here in the Philippines, fond memories of 'John en Marsha', 'TODAS', 'Plaza 1899' and the like come back, informing us that the golden age of television may have passed years and years ago.
The questions are: has the telenovela format destroyed the once-a-week format? Will the destruction (pardon the expression) of the soap opera format eventually bring about a development in viewing habits?
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21 Comments:
varga29 said...
Right there, innocentyears...
I'm likewise wishing-and-washing that we Filipino tele-consumers "kick the habit" of telenovel-izing our daily lives. Major networks can't even stick to evening primetime schedules any longer - it is just labeled as a block (e.g. KiliTV, TeleFantasya somethin' block). What if we as viewers express our disatisfaction in thunderous volume and intensity to the networks. What if we tell them that life isn't telenovelish any longer; that the present pace of Philippine life and progress as we want to see and feel it does not suit the pace they are setting for us. What if we start telling them that we deserve intelligent Entertainment. What if we demand creative, up-to-standard television programming. What if we say we're not amused with their Hollywood copycat tv programs. What if we stop gawking in awe at these unwatchable, unfit, unreliable and sorry excuses for noontime/morning/game/showbiz/news/"lifestyle" hosts and personalities, and absolutely+irrepressably let out all their nationwide tv blunders and stupidities.
Point: We've become a nation entertained by a sorry excuse for television entertainment. We just don't want to try harder! We don't want to excel and be different - both of which can be achieved simultaneously. We just prefer to sit there laughing at the sorriest jokes, crying a tear for the most inept acting, empathizing with characterless personalities...
Suggestion: Why don't we just scrap the data (i.e. demographics, market research, etc) for once and be brave enough to put out there a good show with good topics, with good treatments, with good concepts, with good hosts...and then we can start being excellent.
5/20/2005 12:05 PM
South Rock said...
Yes, foreign shows are like that. I think we should adopt it, but I wonder if it'll work or "click" like the daily soap. A daily soap is easy to get hooked on to, and easier to remember. But a 1 hour per week schedule would give more time the cast and crew to polish, edit and even re-shoot the episodes. It would be less expensive too.
5/20/2005 5:48 PM
varga29 said...
I guess the main motivation for the telenovela craze is advertising income.
I wonder if late night tv can still make a comeback. These shows just suddenly disappeared. There are no more late night talk shows. I guess there are no hosts to do the job also (ngeek!)
I'm not really looking for a throwback to the 70s (Ms.Cellaneous, - tama ba spelling? - Penthouse7, Two for the road, etc.) or 80s (Open Forum with Randy David (?), Tell the People with Julie Yap Daza, etc.) These types of shows can mostly be seen only on ANC21. Kaya lang I really miss the talk, be it more about content, intellect, or the simple, laid back charms of those shows hosts.
It's a simple reflection that even showbiz has given up on trying. That's the story of our media alter egos: showbiz/media powerplayers get all excited about a craze, and when the energy & interest dies down our typical Filipino letdown attitudes come to fore. We just allow our very own creations die torturous deaths - without dignity, without respect.
5/21/2005 12:14 AM
cynically hopeful said...
in the US, they have most of their soaps in daytime slots (targeting stay-at-home market). philippine networks are placing the teledramas at night to maximize viewer exposure, but unknowingly contributing to pinoys' fatigue. imagine coming from a long day's work, to only see more drama and hardships on the tv. then it's every single day of the week pa! how draining!
we need something that would boost us up intellectually (not emotionally) and weekly format shows ARE a good solution. while they haven't been entirely scrapped over teleseryes, they're limited to one-story segments (yes, blame it on pinoy's short-attention span), like comedies or mini-teledrama movies.
notes with weekly shows:
- ..actors get to rest. then rehearse more to really get into their characters
- ..other artists, writers, et al can be given more exposure with the inclusion of more shows
- ..production not only has more time to polish, but also to view viewer reactions form aired episodes, and make the appropriate changes
- actually, teleserye shows (like encantadia) are good candidates for weekly formats.
5/21/2005 1:05 AM
varga29 said...
Pinoys (and our future permutations) will consistenly desire to see anything that's colorful and lively on tv. If not, tv shows must just as well carry that emotional weight for present and future Filipinos to take a bite out of it/ or 'para kagatin'.
We will successfully move forward just as long as we carefully ride on this formula while introducing stronger+newer formulas for younger, more imaginative viewers to appreciate. The reality bug wouldn't have caught on easily if say this was introduced in the 90s - it would just seem so out-of-this-world back then, even offensive perhaps, just too strong for pinoy viewership.
Morning soaps don't really attract that many Pinoy stay-at-homes because our house chores aren't fully aided by technological devices compared to more progressive countries. Morning programs are dominated by the C/D/E-30somethings upward market who do not necessarily have the comparative luxury of doing all chores simultaneously with the help of machines and devices. Kapag medyo pa-inin na ang sinaing at malambot na ang baboy, doon pa lang ako makakaupo at magtutuon ng pansin sa telebisyon. Sayang naman ang kuryente kung pagsasabay-sabayin ko at di naman ako makapanood ng mabuti. Kaya nga siguro ang unang graphics ng EatBulaga ay palayok na umuusok na tv show title ang laman. Parang ito ang reward mo sa kalahating araw mong pagwawalis, pagpupunas, pagdilig, pagluluto, pagkukula, paglalaba, pamamalengke, etc.
Ang dasal ko ay magkaroon ng morning show na may katuturan at hindi puro traffic report, showbiz tsismis, krimen, katiwalian, at mga problemang 'Pinas na walang patutunguhan. Hindi nakakaganang panuurin sa umaga, especially if the hosts editorialize the news and give their unwanted commentaries on minor events as they seek to destroy what could have been positive mornings to wake up to.
I'd like a morning show for a chnage that would give - within reach of a wide range of viewers - a feel of what a more positive, balanced, organized life can be without being too Today Show/Lifestyle-y/Un-Filipino about it. I dunno if it can be done, but I'd like to see that morning show where hosts dress well, host well, speak well and basically come prepared...just like their viewers.
A morning show that sets you off right each morning that it becomes a HEALTHY habit. It doesn't tell you the current trends & practices, instead it keeps Filipino viewers ahead of everyone in the region. The hosts are accessible in that they can dish out showbiz news without being dishy, and afterwards still deliver views on topics ranging from parenting to wellness to baking to office politics. It doesn't hardsell the ideas of balance, organization, fitness, wellness, etc, kasi we all know that we cannot perform budgeting, taming your in-laws and baking a buko pie all in one sitting, di ba?
But the message is there, it simply imparts a can-do mindset kahit na nagpapatayan na sila sa konggreso. Kasi if we all get dragged into the national mess without first looking deep within ourselves to create our little wonders, then talo ang lahat.
We were planning on this format/concept/treatment for a morning show on another tv station kaya lang higher forces intervened to choose safer options.
And that is the story of our collective lives ...
Pwede kaya iyon na mabubuo ang umaga ng Pinoy tv viewer
5/21/2005 2:36 AM
borgy187 said...
I think the main problem on Philippine TV right now is that the networks are dying to get the #1 slot... (read: ratings!). It's kinda ironic because TV won't survive without advertisers, and advertisers won't survive without the Pinoy viewers. So in short, tayong mga manonood ang dapat gumawa ng aksyon.
This is beyond the ongoing Kapuso vs. Kapamilya war.
If the show sucks, just don't watch it. It doesn't--or should i say--shouldn't matter if it's from 7 or 2 or even channel 4.
Although we have to admit that we have our own personal biases for our beloved network, it's a good thing that we air our sentiments. :)
For example, I am a certified Kapuso since I was a kid no doubt about that, but now I don't like their show "Sis", because it had become a carnival TV.
My point is, WE have to be critical and objective when it comes to watching TV.
Anyway, miss ko na `yung one-hour per week ang mga shows...dapat kasi matanggal na talaga sa ating mga pinoy ang "Soap Mentality" na `yan eh...
5/21/2005 9:38 PM
South Rock said...
Please just fix the author block on the side so everyone can see that innocentyears wrote this (good) article and not me. :)
5/22/2005 12:36 PM
Splash said...
That is automatically done. innocentyears must not leave blank his display name so the code will work properly.
That's my guess at least. :)
5/22/2005 12:53 PM
binang said...
i guess we must not stick to foreign formats...but i think the 'different show per day' is better...to develop talents, to gain export quality and to make tv realistic...TV is not a habit, it's a lifestyle...like, you don't read books only at 7pm to 7:30pm...it's d viewer's choice...or switch to cable, which i'm doing ryt now...
6/04/2005 1:36 AM
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6/20/2005 3:34 PM
etxetera said...
I miss those days wherein one can watch sitcoms at an earlier timeslot and variety of shows are offered every night... but I don't think that would ever happen again since soaps are here to stay and as long as the 2 largest tv network will keep on fighting in the No.1 position...
6/20/2005 3:38 PM
varga29 said...
GOING BACK
Let us look back on innocentyears' original posting...
Low Attention Span of the Filipino Audience:
Perhaps there are studies into this widely-known phenom on the Filipino media psyche...or there aren't. Nonetheless, the problem is with the networks - as originally argued - for assuming and asserting that Filipinos deserve a Telenovela/Teleseyre format for tv entertainment.
Has The Telenovela Format Destroyed the Once-A-Week Format?
Or 'has the teleserye format weakened the writing and content of our television programs'. Yes. It unwittingly reflects our 'fear' for creating excellent & intelligent entertainment. In layman's words, TV found it's easy way out.
Perhaps our "short-attention span" will also wean us away very, very soon from this habit.
6/24/2005 1:54 PM
varga29 said...
THE TELENOVELA OF OUR LIVES
It seems like we are witnessing our telenovela alter egos/stereotypes realized in our daily political lives.
Unless our TV viewers can still manage to differentiate the telenovela from actual day-to-day happenings, the presscon of a former candidate's widow will have a devastating effect on Philippine mass movements. All the decided elements of a successful telenovela are fulfilled in recent settings, characters and events. A grieving widow. An injustice. A mass following. A powerful voice. A disgraced figure. A family's downfall. Anger, tears, pity, indignance. A young boy with budding beliefs. A charismatic figure. All the required elements, except for the one which is most fundamental in reality -- real time. The most elemental of all ingredients, emotions & injustices aside, may just have been conveniently 'tele-novelized' (and thus made irrelevant). Conveniently undermining the weight of history and all relevant political realities, the widow may still be viewing the world through a pixelized screen.
Mass movements rely much on charismatic figures and their every pronouncement. The widow may have wisely used every opportunity to guide her flock with clearer counsel & direction, instead of appealing only to their base emotions. Instead of personalizing the pain of accepting the chief’s apology, she may have raised the experience to one of noble temperance and active contemplation of the country’s future. But like the telenovela, don’t we just wish our lives moved forward faster and with greater direction? Again, the main character in this telenovela grieves and dwells until she is browbeaten to culminate in a tumultuous crescendo. Thus leaving the yoked masses with nothing but empty, hollow anger.
So what will happen next once the telenovela ends and reality sets in . . .
Let’s wait till the director comes back from his vacation.
6/30/2005 11:17 AM
matthew76_ph said...
ey, i think ur all missing the point.
first, telenovela format is not the prob. i've been doing research on this tagal na e.
analyze muna natin why the bulk of the audience likes soap operas:
1) audience can identify with the chars. if it's a melodrama..nakaka-identify ang masa sa bidang inaapi. why? e api din ang masang pinoy e (natanggal sa trabaho, napilitang magnakaw, mag prosti, nakulong. ang totoong buhay ng masa-- parang soap).
the diff is: ang bidang inaapi sa soap...paaapi muna sa simula then lalaban sa dulo. yun ang inaabangan. yung paglaban. why? kasi in real life, ang masang pinoy, di niya kayang lumaban (inaapi na siya ng amo niya..liit sweldo etc.. pero di siya makaimik. di makalaban. takot siya mawalan ng work e. so tiis na lang siya). so lahat ng galit niya..lahat ng sama ng loob niya...pag uwi niya sa bahay..iiyak niya while watching soap. soap ang excuse para umiyak.
para maisip niya na may mga taong mas api sa kanya.
the abc audience and those so called "educated" kuno na audience.. di nila maintindihan why click sa masa ang soap e. they looked down on the masa audience. talagang di nila maiintindihan (sarap buhay nila e. me choice sila e. me decent life sila kaya ludicrous sa kanila ang fantastic na pangyayari sa soap e/g. nasunog na nabuhay pa etc etc) kaya tingin nila bobo ang masa. tsk. tsk. hindi ito usapin ng taste or intelligence. mas malalim ang dahilan.
2. cultural. most pinoy's naghahanap ng hero figure e. kahit saang aspeto ha. political, personal, etc. gusto natin me "idol" tayo who will inspire us, who will fight for us. soaps has this formula of "bida" na against all odds e. a "bida" who is very moral, me good virtues, etc. kasi in real life, wala nun e. our leaders our corrupt, etc. parang ang soap..me psychiatric effect e. hahaha. tanggalin mo iyan, baka marami ang mabaliw.
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funny thing is, more and more people are watching soaps now.
dati, soaps are considered pang female lang. now, males are also watching soaps na.
mula noon, hanggang ngayon, soap opera is the most misunderstood format or genre. why? though it is the most popular...it is also the most hated genre. macho remarks such as "pang babae lang ang soap" to the very snobbish comment such as "pang bobo" lang ang soaps... yan yung binabatikos sa kanya.
if you think that way.. then i think ur all missing the point.
tandaan: soap opera is most popular sa mga bansa na mahirap.
they say it is an "escapist" format. but for me, i see it as pang "catharsis" ng mga tao.
pinoy pa? ika nga ni rizal, tumatawa tayo para wag tayong umiyak.
sa soap, me excuse tayong umiyak para hindi malaman ng lahat na ang totoong iniiyakan mo ay ang sarili mo. iyan ang reason kaya daming masanag nanonood nito.
that's just my take on this whole thing.
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7/09/2005 3:03 PM
Splash said...
Lumalalim..
Ako gusto ko rin na may primetime show na hindi Monday to Friday. Nakakapagod eh.
Enca, walang masyadong iyak-iyak, pero pinapanood.
While TV is stuck in its own limitations, pwede pa rin namang lampasan yan, eh. Pakonti-konti. Gaya nga ng sabi mo matthew, grade 1, grade 2.. :)
7/09/2005 3:19 PM
innocentyears said...
In reaction to matthew's... My best friend for life.
E di kung ganun din lang naman, itigil na natin itong 'Kapuso Proactive' na ito. Let's just accept the fact that we can't develop the viewing of the so-called 'masa'. Let's just stop this nonsense of thinking about how to improve the television experience and just accept all of this. Yes?
Ang hirap kasi, without going through the explanation of how our culture is damaged beyond repair brouhaha, is that the producers think that the 'masa' will stay 'masa' forever.
I can sense somehow that the producers think that "if it works, don't change it". Although there's nothing wrong with this belief, I think it does not leave enough room for improvement. Diba? What varga was saying is that the telenovela format is done quickly in order to cope up with the daily schedule; and, in the process, good narrative and dialogue is sacrificed. Dahil nga sa bilis, di na sila nakakapag-isip ng mabuti.
just a reminder, the object of this blog is how to improve the TV viewing experience, and that's what we're doing.
audience can identify with the chars. if it's a melodrama..nakaka-identify ang masa sa bidang inaapi. why? e api din ang masang pinoy e (natanggal sa trabaho, napilitang magnakaw, mag prosti, nakulong. ang totoong buhay ng masa-- parang soap).
your research is well recieved, though alam na natin lahat ito na the biggest audience share belong to the CD ek-ek audience. What they want to watch on TV is that how other people are more miserable than them...
kasi in real life, ang masang pinoy, di niya kayang lumaban (inaapi na siya ng amo niya..liit sweldo etc.. pero di siya makaimik. di makalaban. takot siya mawalan ng work e. so tiis na lang siya). so lahat ng galit niya..lahat ng sama ng loob niya...pag uwi niya sa bahay..iiyak niya while watching soap. soap ang excuse para umiyak.
para maisip niya na may mga taong mas api sa kanya.
the above comment by you... Isn't this a bit negative for someone like you who's defending present TV? Ako naman, i'm defending these same people that you think are weak. I beg to disagree. With the proper knowledge, they can think of a way to better their lives. TV can do that. And while TV in its present state is not intelligent, how can we use it as a powerful tool to better the lives of people?
Ang hirap kasi sa TV ngayon, puro ratings! ratings! Commercials! Pera! Diba? Once again, education and development is sacrificed.
the abc audience and those so called "educated" kuno na audience.. di nila maintindihan why click sa masa ang soap e. they looked down on the masa audience. talagang di nila maiintindihan (sarap buhay nila e. me choice sila e. me decent life sila kaya ludicrous sa kanila ang fantastic na pangyayari sa soap e/g. nasunog na nabuhay pa etc etc) kaya tingin nila bobo ang masa. tsk. tsk. hindi ito usapin ng taste or intelligence. mas malalim ang dahilan.
And what is the deeper reason, may I ask? We in here believe that by sharing ideas such as these can help develop Philippine TV viewing... I believe that TV can be used as a powerful tool not just to entertain, but to educate people. Unfortunately, majority of the shows are just not at par with this kind of enlightenment.
Oh, and those same people you call "mayayamang ignorante na tingin nila bobo ang masa" are the same people who create these TV shows.
cultural. most pinoy's naghahanap ng hero figure e. kahit saang aspeto ha. political, personal, etc. gusto natin me "idol" tayo who will inspire us, who will fight for us. soaps has this formula of "bida" na against all odds e. a "bida" who is very moral, me good virtues, etc. kasi in real life, wala nun e. our leaders our corrupt, etc. parang ang soap..me psychiatric effect e. hahaha. tanggalin mo iyan, baka marami ang mabaliw.
Hmmm... interesting belief. Do you think that many people are now dependent to the point of hypnotized by these shows, if the networks remove them the audiences will go psycho? This TV problem is a lot deeper than I thought.
I think the masa male watches soap opera because he does not have a choice. Nasan na yung mga cop shows? Yung Calvento Files?
mula noon, hanggang ngayon, soap opera is the most misunderstood format or genre. why? though it is the most popular...it is also the most hated genre. macho remarks such as "pang babae lang ang soap" to the very snobbish comment such as "pang bobo" lang ang soaps... yan yung binabatikos sa kanya.
I don't think it's misunderstood. Otherwise, this soap opera thing couldn't have gone on this long. In the simplest explanation, I agree with Varga, that this format is just too speedily done, the good storyline and meaningful dialogue is sacrificed.
We didn't miss your point. We just think there's a better alternative to your soap opera.
tandaan: soap opera is most popular sa mga bansa na mahirap.
"Mahirap lang ako. Palibhasa mahirap lang ako." Battlecry of the loser. Dapat "Kaya ko ito! Kaya natin ito!" wouldn't you agree?
sa soap, me excuse tayong umiyak para hindi malaman ng lahat na ang totoong iniiyakan mo ay ang sarili mo. iyan ang reason kaya daming masanag nanonood nito.
Deep! Wouldn't you agree that it's time to change this?
that's just my take on this whole thing.
And, well said. Once again you've proven yourself to be a worthy adversary!
7/10/2005 4:17 PM
matthew76_ph said...
ayayayay. pls dont put words into my mouth.
i am for the improvement of phil tv. what i hate lang is when we play "messiah". when we put ourselves as the saviour. yung para bang - ay wawa naman ang masa...gawin natin silang matalino etc etc.
i hate it din when some people gives this attitute na "oh i don't watch soaps coz it's too masa, it's so bobo etc etc"
(as ive said nga, soap opera is the most maligned genre - anti female and anti lower class ang mga critics abt soap e. samantalang it is the most popular.. and i bet the people who are making bira sa soap are the very people who don't understand anything about soap except sa "biased" opinion nila na ito ay pang-bobo).
for me, this so called "saviors" are the real bobo. kasi hindi niya maintindihan WHY THE MASA LIKES SOAP.
i didnt says let's stick with the present formula. ang sinabi ko ay pagpapaliwanag lang Why the masa likes soap opera.
ika nga, bago mo baguhin ang isang mundo..kailangan maintindihan mo muna ito.
i also don't like how some people view the soap opera's. ako i always believed that soap opera is the most powerul medium... why? kasi it so popular with the masses.
hence, we must understand whyyyy muna. before we say oh let's change it.
iba ang pananaw sa soap ng isang taong nakapag-aral, may decent life at may choices sa buhay (hindi siya makaka-identify sa bidang api kasi me pera siya--hindi siya magpapa-api. pero ang taong walang pera..like 60 percent ng tao sa pinas..napaka-vulnerable nito). iba ang rin pananaw ng masa. love niya ang soap. pero yung me choices sa buhay, hate niya ang soap.
again, di ko sinabi na wag nating baguhin. ang gusto ko lang iparating..bago nyo
baguhin..kilalanin nyo muna ng husto.
but, do u really think mawawala ang soap? no. hindi siya mawawala hangga't me mahirap.
gusto nyong mawala ang soap? hindi introduction ng new genre ang sagot. ang sagot... tanggalin mo ang dahilan ng kahirapan.
gawin nyong mayaman ang
pinas..bigyan nyo ng tsansa ang mahihirap for a decent life...bigyan nyo siya ng choices sa buhay..e-elevate ang knyang lot...
aba tignan natin kung manood pa yan ng soap...kasi pag magbago na ang kanyang pamumuhay...hindi na rin siya maniniwala na may taong "api" hence di na siya makaka-relate sa soap.
that's just my opinion.
7/10/2005 8:37 PM
varga29 said...
GAMBLES ON THE FUTURE
Cheers to all bloggers! Hey, isn't it nice that we're all revived by this discussion. LOL. Anyways, all points of view are appreciated. We cannot ignore the passion & thought of several posts.
May I just share my five centavos worth of reflection . . .
First, the title of the post 'kicking away the telnovela format' may not actually have meant to 'kill the format'. It was more a result of viewing fatigue & format weariness. It was borne out of the redundant effect the application of the format had on TV programming. I believe the topic was posted to stimulate ideas for program development.
Second, the telenovela format has led program content to formulaic traps. The format effortlessly lends itself to hyper-reality that actually distorts values and creeds. It stretches daily life into a collection of artificial plots, schemes and scenarios. And this is beyond contest. This discussion on format was meant to be beyond any class, strata, or economic debate. To my understanding, the simple issue here is the mindtrap. I agree with most bloggers in their intended point, and that is any monolithic viewpoint on culture, lifestyle & convictions is likewise unhealthy. The format is simply a medium through which we creatively mold Filipino minds and lives into something which we envision is ‘better’ in terms of values and intended futures.
Lastly, the medium can obviously override its present condition. Kapuso Proactive justifiably persuades us to ‘Transform the Idiot Box’. So we can transcend and weave through several issues presently inundating or stagnating television programming. Honestly, we cannot wait for the arrival of the overall solution to poverty, and for this to concurrently solve TV’s programming crisis. Matthew76_ph is likewise correct in affirming our belief that the telenovela format should stay. It should be reflective of Filipino lives, beliefs and realities. It should excel when compared to the Korea telenovela, for example. It should not impose limitations on what the Filipino can be. It should also help us collectively move forward to the next stage – whatever form it will take – with much less abrasion and much more consistency.
7/11/2005 10:29 AM
innocentyears said...
Amen.
In a nutshell, the soap opera genre is just too limiting. Yes, it may be too popular, but what we want to see such as universal themes, epic sequences, and deep storylines are sacrificed.
Imagine, comparing the 'one hour a week' format to 'thirty minutes daily' format: the soap opera thing is equivalent to TWO HOURS AND THIRTY MINUTES a week of tape. That means longer hours of shoot, longer hours of pre-production, make up, and longer hours of writing. Right? Comparing it to the ONE HOUR a week of tape which transforms to shorter pre-production, writing, etc. Which means that there will be a lot more time for thinking about better ideas before production.
Nakakapanghinayang lang kasi, diba? It could've been a lot better, pulling not only the 'masa' audiences but also the AB audiences. Sayang talaga.
And I didn't put words in your mouth, man. You did that yourself.
Cheers!
7/11/2005 11:07 AM
matthew76_ph said...
I beg to disagree.
u said: the soap opera genre is just too limiting. Yes, it may be too popular, but what we want to see such as universal themes, epic sequences, and deep storylines are sacrificed.
sa tingin ko lang naman yung pagtingin mo sa soap ang limiting. hindi yung soap. napaka-dynamic at expansive ng soap. in fact, pwede kang maglaro. lahat itong universal themes, epic sequences and deep storylines ay DAPAT o PWEDE ngang ipasok sa soap.
u said: Nakakapanghinayang lang kasi, diba? It could've been a lot better, pulling not only the 'masa' audiences but also the AB audiences. Sayang talaga.
my opinion: hehe to be honest, i have no faith in the majority of the ab market (but some do watch ha). most of them hate anything pinoy. kapag magka-gyera dito..they'll be the first one to leave.
i like the cd (middle class) crowd. they like to experiment with their viewing habits e. they have more to lose hence they'll react agad (re:political, o kahit sa pinapanood). these are the people who likes changes.
the e crowd...this is the masa crowd. madali silang i-please.
but that doesnt mean hindi sila open sa changes.
para sa akin..nevermind the ab crowd (kahit anong gawin mo walang effect. they have to much money and so many places to go to kesa manood ng tv at pinoy tv pa)
the cde market are the real viewers. tap them..get their interest and you'll be tapping more than 85% of our population. so why bother with the 15? when you can have the 85?
kapag nasa iyo na ang 85..hehe the 15 will pay attn. wanna bet?
7/12/2005 1:15 PM
innocentyears said...
sa tingin ko lang naman yung pagtingin mo sa soap ang limiting. hindi yung soap. napaka-dynamic at expansive ng soap. in fact, pwede kang maglaro. lahat itong universal themes, epic sequences and deep storylines ay DAPAT o PWEDE ngang ipasok sa soap.
Hmmm... Ok. So, kung pwede na ipasok yung mga universal themes, epic sequences, at deep storylines, where is it? Give me one that will stick forever in the minds of people, one that will create a big fanbase inspiring artisans and creators, then I will agree with you.
I see soap opera as limiting because IT IS LIMITING. So where is it?
para sa akin..nevermind the ab crowd (kahit anong gawin mo walang effect. they have to much money and so many places to go to kesa manood ng tv at pinoy tv pa)
O! Now that's what I call stereotyping. You assume that these people do not watch TV because they have too much money to burn. I beg to disagree. They do not watch TV because they do not have a choice; not with all the garbage on TV now. I don't believe that these people (who you loathe too much as I have read in your posts) are really this ignorant. Unless you've got proof, of course.
And like I've said, these same people are the ones who create these soap opera shows that you love so much.
the cde market are the real viewers. tap them..get their interest and you'll be tapping more than 85% of our population. so why bother with the 15? when you can have the 85?
kapag nasa iyo na ang 85..hehe the 15 will pay attn. wanna bet?
I can't. I'm just a poor and hungry writer with no money to bet. And like how youve stereotyped the 15, I would guess they will be too 'arrogant' to really care about your 85.
And I don't fight for the 15 or the 85 alone; I try to fight for all viewers in the Philippines.
And I'm interested in this little 'study' of yours. Do you have a link to a site somewhere?
7/13/2005 2:28 PM
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